Yet another reason why Barack needs to stop subcontracting the legwork on legislation to pols like Nancy Pelosi (yeah, more a Baltimore Little Italy hon once you peel away the Left Coast veneer, but like her daddy and brother, too much into machine/payoff politics) or Harry Reid (who's a tool).
It's all pretty clear to me. These folks at Gitmo can go to federal prisons. 99% are losers or students needing to "find themselves" who were in the wrong place, at the wrong time, by listening to the wrong people. The other 1%? I'm gonna say it loud, and say it mean, and kiss my ass if you're too (1) blind, (2) stupid (3) got an axe to grind to admit: they are no more dangerous and indeed less so on some levels, than incarcerated La Eme & MS-13 leaders, any number of Hannibal Lechter wannabees, Gangsta D/Crips/Bloods what the hell ever warlords, junior gangbangers who happened to knock over a bank and killed some people, redneck meth cookers and dealers, kingpin dopers, child kidnappers, Aryan nation chiefs, McVeigh types and other wingnut "race war" criminals, the Unibomber and of course the remnants of the Cosa Nostra. Put them in solitary like Gotti was. Ramzi Usef, the '93 World Trade Center mastermind, molders in a fed supermax. The world didn't collapse for that. Israel's still safe despite it. Etc. Etc. On and on. Jeez.
So why are we debating this, and why is Barack not saying this in plain English, over the muddle of Reid, and the shrieking, slight of hand propaganda of the rightwing? Well, yet again, he's too nice a guy, and presupposes that the majority of Americans can dicern chickenshit from chicken salad.
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Amen, amen & a big juicy amen.
That always struck me about the need for that place. Are they "different" because they are supposedly war prisoners? But if that's the case, then why were Nazi prisoners treated better in the south pow camps than African American soldiers--and definitely African Americans condemned to chain gangs for petty offenses or too often no crime at all? These pow camps were located in the south as you know Nat because Southern Senators lobbied to get them there for jobs, just as with military bases and shipyards! That was their version of a stimulus package!
Therefore this thing is silly and political. They wanted them in one place so they could torture them and nothing more.
Amen...
More truth brought to light is that:
After the 2006 Election, both Pelosi AND Conyers saw that a mandate was given to them by the people. Stop The Bloody War! Impeach BushCo (I find it hard to call it presidency, it was more like Part 2 of the "Business Plot" where Fascists this time took over -- but that's another story)
Pelosi and Conyers had a mandate, but they stalled and did nothing. As we can see now and what some of us knew then is that they stalled because they knew and were privy to the intelligence.
BTW: The intelligence community was repeatedly undermined by the new office called the OSP (i.e. Office of Special Plans) which operated under the dictates of Cheney... Recall when Bush and Cheney had a mutual itch / boner that Iran had a viable nuclear program? What did the CIA do ever so boldy? It produced a NIE report that flat out refuted and silence the Bush-Cheney war drumbeat...
With that history of the CIA being undermined by Cheney's OSP isn't it plausable / fair to think that Pelosi's claim might actually be true because the CIA at that time might have been withholding?
Just putting some history and some questions out there
Very good points! This is simple Chicken Little politics. Housing these so-called terrorists in federal prisons is no more different than housing them in the imperial possession of GITMO (how can you not have relations with Cuba while also maintaining a faux-naval base on their soil?). Like you stated, these cats are no more dangerous than some of the freaks roaming our streets or blowharding their opinions on the airwaves. This American farce of an empire is silly...
SoCal 82Tiger Says:
Professor what ever you’re smoking has gone to your head. If one grants you all that you profess to believe and President B still has moved to withdraw or curtail his push to shut down Gitmo and get us out of Iraq I can only assume that:
1) He has seen the light, got a dose of religion and embraced "Real Politic" as a necessary evil to US Foreign Policy... (Hey does that mean he realizes that this "terror-war" thing is not just a punch line to use as a DC dinner party joke?
Or
2) He is a political fraudster and hack. An empty suit with great PR, a smooth voice, but devoid of any real conviction to the words and platitudes he preaches off his teleprompter
In either case it makes you pause to remember the line from the old song -
Meet the new boss....
Same as the old boss!!!
Oh how I love to hear the spin masters in media and politics busy at work trying to tell us that things are really different. When will all of you living too close to the Beltway realize that with politics it's always going to be a case of the same story - different chapter?
This NIMB debate is ridilious, why not send them all to SuperMax in the middle of the Rockie Mountains, Obama needs to stiffen that steel spine and take a stand firm and clear!
From Lady J:
Cause this is a Holy War, didn't ya get the memo(s)?
http://men.style.com/gq/features/topsecret
Here's a good read on Reid
http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2009/02/harry-reid-gold-member
God bless Cheney.
Doesn't Chevy Chase look more like Dick Cheney every day?
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